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Old Superheroes Never Die
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January 7, 2000
Old Superheroes Never Die, They Join the Real World
By HERB TRIMPE
In 1996, after 29 years as an artist for Marvel Comics, I got fired -- 56
years old, two children still in college and no job.
Things had started to get shaky two years before. The American comics
industry was taking hits from changing tastes in the youth market -- teenage
boys had plenty of other entertainment options, mostly electronic -- and
Marvel couldn't seem to lure the general population. Never mind that in
comic books sell in the millions to all ages. It also didn't help that
Perelman's acquisition binge overextended the company, or that Marvel
the market with spinoffs and endless No. 1 issues, devaluing the collections
of the faithful.
By 1995, a new wave of artists and writers had supplanted the older pros,
my employer was giving me less and less work.
I had joined Marvel in 1967, after a year in Vietnam and three years as a
student at the School of Visual Arts in Manhattan. Stan Lee, then the editor
in chief, hired me as a production assistant. I would draw comics, including
the Incredible Hulk and the Fantastic Four, over the next three decades --
the last two from my home studio in Kerhonkson, 120 miles from Manhattan,
where I live with my wife, Linda Fite, a writer ("Claws of the Cat") I met
I have kept a journal more for therapeutic reasons than anything else. These
excerpts recount my journey, from Hulk to seventh-grade art teacher.
March 15, 1995: F.F.'s been cut. Fantastic Four Unlimited is the only
comic I'm drawing. With pages reduced, my work is cut in half. Called Nel,
who apologized. He'd try to get me more work to meet the four-page weekly
quota, but things don't look good. There've been a bunch of firings.
April 1: I'm beginning to hate drawing comics. It becomes harder and harder
to compete with the new creative "stars." Experience doesn't seem to matter.
May 27: Turned 56 yesterday. Sent in my application today to the State
University of New York's Empire State College. The Center for Distance
Learning offers credit for life experience and independent study for people
like me, who can't attend regular classes. Not sure what I'll major in. Not
art. Maybe history.
Aug. 10: Accepted at Empire State. A mentor will help design a degree
Nov. 20: F.F. Unlimited was canceled this week. No warning. Went down to New
York yesterday. All the editors either in meetings or out to lunch. Talked
human resources at Marvel today. The lady seemed embarrassed. Said maybe I
should consider retiring. I told her I wasn't going to hold the gun to my
head. They'd have to shoot me themselves. With a family, I need the health
care benefits and income.
Dec. 15: No matter what I say or who I call or write at Marvel, I can't get
assigned to another book. I've tried reason, outrage, guilt trips and
begging. Nada. I haven't been able to scrounge together enough work to meet
my monthly quota. The place is a shambles. When I press, they admit sales
down and so is morale. The scuttlebutt is that more layoffs are coming.
Jan. 3, 1996: More firings. About 19 people gone, including Nel.
Jan. 8: Worked on my own comic strip, about a minor league baseball team.
calling it "Chicken Scratch." It's going very slowly. I guess I'm not that
interested. What to do? I'm trying to be convinced that change is good, and
will be guided toward positive ends. The upheaval is great at times, almost
Jan. 11: Finally talked to my tutor for my first Empire State course, Far
Eastern history. He's assigned two texts, and we'll confer once a week. What
a long, drawn-out process -- the writing, the paperwork, trying to connect
with the tutors for each course. If I didn't have all this time and money
invested, I'd quit.
Jan. 23: The job thing is a downer, but I'm generally excited and
Tom DeFalco at Marvel called after dinner to see how I was doing. When he
editor in chief, he kept me working during another slow period when all the
new editors were hiring their pet artists. Great chat. He knows some people
at King Features.
Jan. 26: Rumors, rumors and more rumors. Marie says she's having the same
trouble I am -- getting just the odd coloring job, no substantial work at
all. The checks keep coming, but this is getting weirder and weirder. It
helps to talk to someone in the same boat.
Feb. 3: I feel like I'm turning into somebody else.
Feb. 7: Freak out in the a.m. -- anxiety, I think. Feel dizzy and panicky,
the world closing in. Shaky and sullen the rest of the morning. "Chicken
Scratch" seems hopeless. Inked four installments, and it's mediocre. Not at
all as I imagined. (What did I imagine?)
Feb. 16: Marie called. They have "terminated her contract." The blade swings
closer. I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop -- right on my drawing
Feb. 18: Wrote again to the editor in chief of Marvel, offering to take on
any work. Can't get anyone to answer my calls.
March 5: I've decided to go for a B.A. in art. It's the shortest route to a
degree. I'm thinking about teaching.
March 7: Spring two weeks away. Packaged strip with cover letter to submit
March 14: Got a rejection slip from United Press International in one week!
It's hard to see how they even looked at it. Their guidelines said 8 to 12
weeks. One week! Gad! I knew it had to be, so why get bent out of shape? One
down, four to go.
March 22: Contacted or attempted to contact the art department heads at four
schools -- Marist, Bard, Vassar and SUNY, New Paltz. Things slid downhill in
the afternoon; got real depressed. Then I got a rejection from King
That makes three to go. Saw the comet on the way to Kingston.
April 2: Where's Marvel? Linda says call. Marie says no, why bother? Let it
ride. My Order of Battle is just about wrapped up -- the list of projects I
laid out in November to work on. I don't know exactly what to do. Worked in
the yard with Linda in the afternoon.
April 29: A bright spot. Got a letter from Tribune Media Services. A
submissions editor liked the strip and is going to pass it on.
May 1: Lo and behold, got a call from Marvel! A message about a job on
X-Factor -- breakdowns. Six months of nothing, and now this -- a one-shot
of loose pencil drawings. The call is upsetting.
May 13: Well, the wait is over. Today it came, via Federal Express. I got
fired by mail, effective June 8. No warning, no phone call. The letter was
delivered with another package I was expecting from Marvel. You couldn't
what it was by the envelope. A stealth termination. Opened it up. Bang!
Gotcha! Ha! I've been waiting a long time, and still they caught me off
May 17: Got a package from Marvel today, a pile of termination agreement
paperwork. I'm supposed to sign forms swearing that I won't talk trash about
Marvel, won't reveal any superheroes' secret identities, won't say anything
mean about Stan Lee, won't make a fuss, and other legal mumbo jumbo. If I
don't sign, I don't get termination "benefits."
May 20: Wrote a letter to Marvel asking for more severance pay. It struck me
that I should send it Fed- Ex on their account number. Small thing, but it
made me feel good.
May 25: Got rejection from Tribune Media. Oh, well, I did have a hope. Think
I'll rework the strip and submit it again in a year. The entire comics field
is in trouble. But I've got to do something.
June 7: Revenge is still in my heart.
June 8: Stone Ridge Library Fair. At a booth, selling old comics, the
hundreds that Marvel sent me over the years, to help the library fund. Kids
would ask, "Are any of these ones you drew?" Signed a few autographs for
middle-age die-hard fans. Ironic, eh, considering the situation.
June 9: Final strip rejection yesterday -- from L.A. Times Syndicate. The
plan is to go to unemployment tomorrow.
June 10: It hits me today about this being the first weekday of no official
job. It is the first time since before the Air Force 34 years ago. An
interesting sensation. Like hanging over the edge of a cliff. But maybe I
June 11: Went to Kingston to sign up for unemployment. The line was a real
mixed bag of humanity. Felt awkward, but the staff was patient and helpful.
The thought of going for job interviews depresses me. But the thought of
never working again depresses me even more.
June 26: Went to a job interview at a company that makes sports memorabilia
and other stuff. They want an artist with experience in Quark and Photoshop
and all that computer stuff. Hey, I can draw rings around your Adobe
Illustrator! They don't know or care.
July 17: The session at the N.Y.S. Department of Labor was very stimulating.
I'm amazed at how many programs are available. I took a bunch of notes. My
head is filled with possibilities. I've been classified as a dislocated
worker. There is a possibility of having my education paid for, at least in
part, by either the state or the V.A. or both.
July 23: I feel pretty positive lately. I like the schooling, just the idea
of it. I also enjoy the writing.
July 28: Sent out fliers to Extreme, Dark Horse, Malibu, Fantagraphics,
Topps, DC and about five other comics companies.
Aug. 1: Made four calls for jobs. If I'm to put comics behind me, I need to
go through this. I wanted a journey into the unknown, and I've got it.
Aug. 11: I can't stop obsessing about going to the Department of Labor. One
of the people there wanted to cut my benefits. There's something about
dealing with government agencies that makes you feel like a criminal. What
I going to do about work? A freelance thing in Bedford looks like a
possibility. I feel flat on everything -- school, running, building models.
weigh 165 and worry about getting heavier. I've been having a lot of
Sept. 1: Picked up the van at the body shop; old thing made new. Picked up
the Underwood at the typewriter shop; another old thing made new. The
question is, can an old thing like myself be made new?
Sept. 14: I've got the Empire State stuff planned for the year. Computer
graphic design, college algebra and a primitive art course this fall. Then
Renaissance art, Far Eastern history II and an English lit survey class next
semester. That should do it for enough credit hours for the B.A. Like the
scarecrow in "The Wizard of Oz," I think I need that piece of paper. At
I'll be accomplishing something this year.
Oct. 3: Wrote a letter to the D.O.L. to try to get assistance in taking
Empire State classes in Quark Express, Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop,
explaining that learning those skills will increase my chances of finding
Oct. 5: Linda went to New Paltz to see Mose Allison in concert. I just
couldn't bring myself to go. I don't feel like being with people. Hate to
answer those "How's it going?" questions.
Oct. 7: The computer graphics course is going pretty well. The Adobe
Illustrator exercises are simple, but the computer aspect of the whole
business is so cold. The lines are cold, the tone is cold. And it seems so
silly to be drawing with a mouse and software when I can do it faster and
better by hand.
Dec. 15: I am so grouchy with Linda, criticize her for every little thing.
She drives me nuts with her implacable calm and what-me-worry? demeanor. I
think she's in denial.
Dec. 18: Got next semester's courses lined up, including a couple of study
groups in New Paltz. I like being in class, so I'm looking forward to that,
even driving across the mountain in January and February.
Dec. 28: Marvel is bankrupt. I wonder what Stan thinks. It's a shame what
Perelman did to that company. Corporate suits! As Flo always says: "Herb,
they just don't care. Don't you get it?"
Jan. 29, 1997: Sometimes I just want to walk out of the house and keep
I feel extraneous. Despite all my interests and enthusiasms, I guess I still
buy into that notion of man as breadwinner. I can intellectually deal with
not contributing income to the family, but emotionally it's another matter.
It gnaws at me.
March 1: Talked to an adviser in the art department at SUNY about applying
for the master of fine arts program. I was not encouraged. She thought I
should take some preliminary painting courses. I don't have the time.
March 11: Ron Perelman and Carl Icahn are at each other's throats over
March 14: Took a bunch of paintings to Kingston to have slides made to
with my application to SUNY, New Paltz. The head of the department seemed to
have a snotty attitude about my commercial art background.
May 1: Was not accepted into the M.F.A. program at SUNY. I figured.
May 23: Sent in my application to SUNY, New Paltz, for the master of
nal studies in humanistic education program, designed for educators and
service professionals. Considers the whole person -- mind, body and spirit.
It seems to center on an issue that is not normally found in our
institutions, and that is compassion.
June 9: We all went to the Empire State graduation ceremony at Rockland
Community College. It was really wonderful. The hall was filled with
families, including many kids of graduates. The graduates were encouraged to
say a few words. Some of their stories of accomplishment were very touching.
One guy bounded up to get his diploma and yelled: "Yo! I'm a freakin'
miracle!" It was great.
June 13: Was accepted into the program in humanistic education.
Aug. 25: First day of school. Everybody seemed to know everybody else,
Sept. 17: Had to give up my duties as deacon at St. John's Episcopal Church
because of the full-time student workload. There's very little time for
journal writing. Plus, with a new focus, I don't feel the need as much.
March 17, 1998: The amount of reading is monstrous. I'm determined to beat
C-plus/B-minus high school average.
May 21: It's cool to have classroom buddies. My teacher friends and
professors have encouraged me to consider public education. They think I
would have something to offer.
July 13: Ha! A judge approves a reorganization plan for Marvel Entertainment
Group so it can emerge from bankruptcy protection.
Jan. 18, 1999: My student teaching, through Pace University in
starts tomorrow. Half a semester in elementary school, half a semester in
high school. I take the National Teachers Examination core battery test on
Saturday to get certified. Six hours' worth. I did the practice test this
morning, including getting up at 6 and beginning at 7:30, just like the real
thing. I did O.K. on two sections, but the professional-knowledge part was
Jan. 19: First day of school, at Truman Moon School in Middletown. I'm
student-teaching kindergarten and first grade. Greg, the regular art teacher
who will take me under his wing, briefed the kids on the color wheel and how
it works. They are extremely cute. Greg handles these kids very well, and
they behave with respect. It is important to set guidelines and stick to the
rules. I can see a certain face has to be adopted.
Jan. 21: I can see myself as I observe, a detached kind of thing, and I
wonder what I am doing here. All those years in the rather isolated position
of a commercial artist, and now, at 59, this.
Jan. 26: Greg is using Picasso's Blue Period to teach the kids about cool
colors. I love it when a kid says, "Pablo Picasso!" I got a hug at the end
the day from a kid who said he was going to miss me until the next class. I
still haven't gotten names down. Five classes a day, 25 classes a week.
That's a lot of kids.
Feb. 8: The kids don't listen to me. Well, a few do. The restrictions are
tight. Against the wall, hats off, no getting up, noise to a minimum --
teacher as cop. I don't really like it.
Feb. 10: I'm beginning to hate this, but I'm not quitting. Teachers in the
grad seminar class are very supportive. Many said last night that student
teaching was the most miserable experience they'd had.
March 2: The lesson on making kites is working well. My Pace evaluator,
came to observe today. It was Mrs. B.'s class, which was the noisiest,
rudest, most raucous they've ever been. They did a good job, but I looked
pretty bad, which is what I was. Maybe public school is not for me. I don't
understand discipline, and man, can these kids jerk you around. Greg says it
will come in time. I'm not convinced.
March 12: My last day at Truman Moon. I'm not looking back. The kids have
been awesome and exhausting. Some didn't understand I was temporary. "Aren't
you going to come back?" they asked. Very cute.
March 16: First day at Washingtonville High School. The day seems to be
without as much pressure as elementary school. I'm jumping right in. Will
begin the Chinese art project tomorrow.
March 22: A couple of kids already know which buttons to push.
March 25: Had fun. Apprehensive as always, but the two new projects in
commercial art and printmaking are getting some lift under their wings.
Landscapes are coming nicely. Some excellent stuff. How can one day leave
feeling so rotten, and the next, like, "Hey! I can do this!"?
March 26: Good news! I passed all three of the core battery sections,
higher than the national average. All I need to do is get through student
April 6: The Chronicle of Higher Education has an ad for a job at Savannah
College of Art and Design in Georgia -- professor of sequential art. I've
a strong body of published work, and I'm a teacher. It sounds perfect for
April 15: All goes well. The last two days have been great. Wrapping up the
Chinese landscapes. It's amazing how fantastic some of the work is! Better
than I could do.
May 7: Got a letter from human resources at Savannah. They are "very
interested." They want me to go down to visit, maybe teach a workshop.
May 15: Went to a teachers' job fair. Left resumes with several school
districts looking for art teachers. We'll see what comes of it. Requirements
for my master's almost wrapped up.
May 18: Last class at SUNY, New Paltz. Grade point average, not counting
class, is 3.96.
May 26: Birthday again. Beats the alternative. From 0 to 60.
June 3: Flew down to Savannah yesterday. The visit didn't seem to gel.
June 4: Feeling unsettled about Savannah. One of the guys in the department
was very excited that I might teach there. Most of the others present were
lukewarm or chilly. No matter what goes down, that school could really use
-- or someone like me. Not a one had any field experience to speak of.
July 1: Sent a resume in response to a newspaper ad for an art position at
Eldred Central School in Sullivan County. This is the first of a
new-generation resume that excludes dates that can pinpoint my age. Vern and
others had advised me to do this. They look for the age thing, he says.
Gee-whiz, golly, I thought age discrimination was illegal!
July 7: Flew back to Savannah to teach a workshop as part of the job
application process. Great time with the students. We'll get back to you,
July 9: The Eldred principal, Ivan Katz, called today. Asked if I could come
in for an interview on Tuesday. Told him we were going to the beach
He said, "How about today?" So I drove over. Nice guy -- loves the Hulk. An
amazing school -- like something out of "Father Knows Best." Built in 1941,
brick, with high ceilings and the old slate blackboards. Lots of varnished
wood trim and parquet floors. Neat.
July 13: Haven't enjoyed the vacation (Bethany Beach, Del.), obsessing about
whether somebody will offer a job. I keep calling home to see if there have
been any messages on the machine. Finally, there was a message from Eldred
give them a call. Yes! Nothing from Savannah.
July 19: Called Savannah. The department chairman said there never was
a job, the ad was an old ad, run by mistake, blah, blah, blah. Sorry, hope
you weren't inconvenienced, and so on. Talk about backpedaling.
July 20: Met with the Eldred superintendent, Candace Mazur. I sat on the
front steps for a few minutes before the meeting, and I noticed the sign in
front was painted in the school colors -- green and gold, the same as my
school. Their mascot is a yellow jacket, ours was a hornet. I was my usual
overtalkative self, but she didn't hold it against me. She offered the
position. Seventh-grade art, remedial math and a class with special-ed kids.
It feels nice to be wanted. I feel pretty good about teaching in a public
school, like maybe I can make a contribution. That's corny.
Sept. 8: First day of class at Eldred. Up at 5 a.m. Very foggy on Route 17.
It's a little over an hour, door-to-door, but I enjoy the transition time.
Even though today is more or less an orientation day, I got them drawing the
last 20 minutes. The kids are great, a little rambunctious, but it seemed
almost too easy.
Sept. 13: Monday morning. Man, it's early. Forgot my lunch, my wallet and my
money. My lessons are organized, but my life isn't. Bruce, the high school
art teacher, says I should put my car keys and wallet in the fridge with the
lunch bag. He's got 30 years of teaching experience, so I listen to
everything he says. The class came up with rules for conduct. Assigned a
dictionary person. If an unfamiliar word arises, that person will look it
We'll keep a list. Also, introduced the riddle of the week. We get until
Friday to figure it out. Winners get a fancy refrigerator magnet.
Sept. 14: Reviewing basic elements of art, which are part of state
guidelines. I didn't know what they were myself until I started teaching. I
explain, they draw examples. Seems a little boring to me.
Sept. 16: Had to have a little talk with a student. Some are very
accomplished at being passive-aggressive. Down to a science, in fact,
Einsteins at it. I tend to cut the kids a lot of slack. I told them in the
beginning they would have more freedom in this class than others, because of
the workshop environment. They are beginning to run with that ball. I should
have kept my big mouth shut.
Sept. 21: I think I'm suffering from post-job-getting depression today. It's
like, O.K., here you are, now what? The kids are having a good time with the
diorama. I showed them how to make palm trees out of brown wrapping paper
Sept. 24: Something like an anxiety attack upon arriving. It slipped away as
things got moving, but I felt shaky. Maybe I am too old for this. The kids
were wound up. Maybe they sensed something. I'm trying to develop that
certain "face," but it doesn't come natural.
Sept. 27: A couple of kids were really off the wall today. I suppose I
write them up. I have refrained from doing that because they calm down after
a talking-to. I know disruptions take away from the rest of the class. But
the class is a minicommunity, which I believe it is, doesn't the class as a
whole have a responsibility toward the one, just as much as the one has a
responsibility toward the class? In society, I'm not sure it's right to
remove the offender, and everyone else goes along, business as usual.
Everyone has to be responsible.
Sept. 28: Feeling pretty good today, and the class went extremely well.
Angels all. I concluded that the way the class acts is in response to the
the teacher acts in various subtle ways. The trick is to keep positive no
matter what. I struggle with this.
Oct. 15: Teaching is like flying a plane. You leave school one day feeling
like you're spiraling down toward the trees, expecting that the next day the
crash will come. You brace yourself for the impact, only to find that things
have leveled out at treetop height, and you climb and enjoy the remainder of
Oct. 22: Ordered a varsity jacket today. Green and gold with my old baseball
Nov. 4: Second-period art class observed and evaluated by Ivan, the
principal, today. The kids were perfect, and I didn't bribe them.
on meeting went well. He thinks I can teach. I felt pretty good.
Nov. 5: Friday. Half-day today. If Ivan had been here today he would have
fired me. I had two kids on the floor who wouldn't get up, the occasional
missile across the room, endless interruptions. I gave up. Are real teachers
supposed to say that?
Dec. 1: Feeling very positive the last couple of weeks. Administration and
staff very supportive. Got my varsity jacket today. Full circle.
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