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RE: [Groop]CD Clubs

Or if your really cheap just use napster and make your own CD's

From: "Sudilovsky, Ariel" <ASudilov@Calfee.com>
To: "'Groop@groo.com'" <Groop@groo.com>
Subject: RE: [Groop]CD Clubs
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:53:49 -0500

You identified true problems with the service.  While shipping is normally
around $2.60 (in the US), they offer a "discount" when more than one cd is
shipped at a time.  The problem is they will often intentionally break up
their shipments to avoid their "generous" discount.  They have also been
known to play games with sales tax.  As far as what they do with royalties,
I believe they pay them, but at a greatly discounted rate.  This is because
they license the cds they will sell, and produce them themselves.  I don't
know if they do so with less quality than the original versions, but I have
never been able to get any used cd store to accept BMG copies for trade or
cash.  If you are careful with this service you can end up saving some
money, but nowhere near as much as their offer implies.


-----Original Message-----
From: Sean McCoy [mailto:woodchuck777@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 2:23 PM
To: groop@groo.com
Subject: Re: [Groop]CD Clubs

HI All, First off, WOO~HOO post 01 of 2001

I joinded the BMG thing and got the 12 cd's for the price of one. The only
problem is you have to pay shipping and handling for each cd. So you are
really paying $4-$5 for every cd. And then once a month they mail me a cd
(the cd of the month) and you either have to pay for it (plus shipping and
haddling) or send it back to them. SO if you are as unorginaized as I am you

end up misplasing the cd and then having them send you bills for it. Also
part of the contract is that after you get your 12 cd's you have to buy 1 at

normal price within the next year. well that aint to bad, but the cd at
normal price are around $14-$17 + shipping and haddling. So you are getting
screwed on that deal there. Also I found it hard to pick 12 cd's out of
thier selection that I really wanted. But it really hasnt been to bad of an
ordeal and I never really felt ripped off. But I have heard that the cd that

are sold through these clubs are considered promotional and the artist doest

get any royalties for thier sales. I dont know if this is true or not, but
being an x-musician. I think it totaly stinks if it is true. But enough of
my rambling!



P.S. I, who never posts, have more posts than Gary! MWAHAHA!!!

>From: "D. Bron" <DBron@flashmail.com>
>To: Groop@groo.com
>Subject: [Groop]CD Clubs
>Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:18:30 -0500
>The link you supplied doesn't work (it was posted from a form - it's not a
>static website), but as you say, these services have been around in the US
>for a while, so I can tell you what I know about them:
>They're notorious for being scams. In essence they are CD clubs, which
>means they charge your credit card every month whether you select new CDs
>or not. This is legal because the club's sign-up contract (which you agree

>to when you get those first 12 CDs) specifically states that they are
>*opt-out*, which means you have to send in a form in order to cancel your
>membership (which they process slowly, so they can charge you for another
>month's CDs). Usually these clubs have very enticing enrollment packages
>(like your 12 CDs for the price of 1*) in order to get you to sign-up
>without reading the small print. However, the next month and every
>subsequent month) is full price, which you've already agreed to pay for.
>This whole thing is very similar to the earlier book-club scams which I was

>suckered by once.
>Now, I don't know if the specific company you chose is legitimate or not,
>but I wouldn't count on it.  Read ALL the small print before you buy.
>* Here in America we have even BETTER deals - 12 CDs for 1¢.  So if the
>offer's legit you're getting ripped-off ;)
>Since in any endeavor the greatest likelihood is failure, it follows that
>if you set out to fail you will invariably succeed.
>Groop maillist  -  Groop@groo.com

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